Alchemical Garden Forum

Please visit Entering the Garden and discover what are our sustaining roots. You may only apply with us if you agree and consent to our Community Vision and Purpose and Ethos and Ethical Guidelines.

The registration includes writing a letter of application in which you sincerely tell us why you wish to join.

group study How Is Pop Culture Seeing Spiritual Practice and Spiritual Topics?

Group study openly invites people to learn and exchange thoughts together based on premises that are always explicitly pointed out, however loose they might be. Any fixed discussion outcomes aren't called for, but the intent is in personal growth and understanding. It's good to keep mindful and respectful of both what is and what isn't relevant for discussion though.

Roots of Virtue

At Your Service
Staff member
Moderator
Let's discuss how pop culture is actively catalyzing the dissemination spiritual themes across civilizations and what is this pollination's impact on people's personal views.

Popular culture is created for mass appeal and consumption. It appropriates everything that can be grasped in superficial terms. Even traditional spiritual culture it takes and churns back as unhealthy New Age-ish condensate that excites people and feeds them reactive emotional impressions that lead to strange practices and warped attitudes. Yet, this only a small part of the larger scheme where uplifting emotions and emotional showdowns are steadily sold as the entertainment standard.

Is there anything good in how pop culture handles spiritual topics? Where are the good examples? How does energy cultivation fit in with the overt emotional sensationalism in everything?
 
  • Equanimity
Reactions:

Earl Grey

Gonzo Daoist and Dharma Punk
Moderator

The Spice and the Force: Competing Sci-Fi Analogies for Cultivation​


The most common metaphor people interested in energy work and internal arts love to use is The Force from the Star Wars series. In over a decade of cultivation practice with proper lineage and instructors, I have to say that a more appropriate one is actually the spice melange from the Dune series.

One thing to also point out is that the people using the Force metaphor also do not understand Star Wars very well, which I will differentiate between the actual use of the Force and people's dubious understanding of it, which I will simply call The Farce.

It should also be noted at the beginning here that Star Wars itself was inspired by Dune.

Definitions:

The Force: "An energy field created by all life that connected everything in the universe, and known by a variety of names throughout galactic history." A New Age version of the Dao that forgoes the concept of duality and focuses on polarity while adding concepts such as synchronicity and destiny.

The Spice: "A naturally produced awareness spectrum narcotic that formed a fundamental block of commerce and technological development in the known universe for millennia." A drug as both an actual narcotic and metaphor for wisdom that has many gatekeepers, be they Brahmin analogues or merchants. Also based on psilocybin mushrooms.

The Farce: "I can read minds and move things with my mind! I can set things on fire and electrocute people! Whoa dude! I'm so special!" Midichlorians and everything else in the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy along with whatever people individually construct for themselves and is affirmed by others who are hopelessly optimistic.

Cultivation may initially seem like it's the Force because of the superficial similarities to Daoist concepts and philosophy, but strictly speaking, the Force is not just a watered-down version of taiji (the proper name for Yin and Yang for those who need a helpful reminder), it also lacks other concepts such as five elements theory, which gives birth to other significant concepts such as medicine, seasons and cycles, and personalities, and the three treasures of jing, qi, and shen.

The most obvious difference in the Force is that the Light and Dark are opposed, and there is the use of absolutes. Yes, both Light and Dark in the Force use absolutes, as stated in the funny, zero-self awareness statement, "Only Sith [the dark side] think in absolutes" which is in itself an absolute stated by the Jedi [the light side]. This polarity also tends to look at Light as all things good and Dark as all things bad, but Yin and Yang are not definitively good or evil, as light can be both good and evil, and dark can be the same. Shakespeare himself said in Hamlet, "There is neither good nor bad, but thinking makes it so."

When people think about the Force and tie it to energetic practices to practice the Farce, because it lacks the three treasures and the five elements, they base their cultivation exclusively off of energy and qi and on moral platitudes and self-righteousness rather than the three treasures and ethics.

Anyone who knows proper cultivation 101 is it is not just qi or energy. You have to build your physical structure in order to reprogram your abilities, you can't just have a positive attitude and intent and magically have control over energy. People can feel sensitive to energy, but controlling it is another story altogether.

The Force implies that people have the ability to use the Force if they are sensitive, and the Farce makes people think they are special for having more midichlorians. This is simply not the case--it's people watching too many movies where they see someone suddenly awaken latent psychic powers and become very powerful. In basic cultivation, you can have latent powers--the problem is, without the proper methodology, they will never be anything else but sensitivity and wishful thinking.

The Spice Melange from Dune is an analogue for the psychedelics Frank Herbert had used before, as well as the culture of drug use for his time. What people don't remember are the Bene Gesserit and Honored Matres, orders of women who hold secrets of cultivation, such as reversing aging and telepathic powers, and manipulate behind the scenes the ascension of humanity. People are born into the lineage or brought in, analogous to conflicting orders in the Catholic tradition (especially Jesuits) and martial schools, mystery schools of the ancient world such as the Pythagorean tradition and the Eleusinian Mysteries, and can even find parallels with the Brahmins. In other words: they are gatekeepers not for the sake of gatekeeping, but because of the foregone conclusion that power corrupts.

The Spice Melange unlocks amazing powers, but also leads to insanity. There are conflicts and the threat of war for the right to access the resource of the Spice Melange, as merely taking the spice isn't sufficient enough to grant ultimate power--it merely unlocks potential, and then it must be guided accordingly, much like the Bene Gesserit trained Paul Atreides long before he ingested the spice on Arrakis.

Whether it is a drug or secret doctrines and alchemical techniques for cultivation, we can conclude from Dune's metaphors that 1) knowledge itself and ethics are far more important than the latent powers or potential for power, 2) such knowledge is guarded heavily just as the secret for power, 3) people will go to war and commit heinous acts for the mere prospect of what they could get from the spice, 4) excess use of the spice can cause insanity and physical harm, 5) the spice causes physiological changes, not just mental, and 6) there are liars and cheats who play with people's desire for power.

The world of Dune captures human nature far better than Star Wars when it comes to cultivating power, as Star Wars presumes natural talent and has an extreme focus on energy. Dune has designated experts and requirements for even being considered to have potential, and Star Wars can't decide if anyone can develop the talent or if it is something you are either born with or aren't lucky enough to have.

The Farce takes this in a contradictory way if the ramblings of mad men on YouTube comments and reddit are anything to go by (which you should never do): it states that everyone has potential (and thus makes everyone an expert because they all feel sensitive to energy), and then those who feel energy deceive themselves into believing that they have more energetic potential than others. It is again the common pitfall of cultivation: energetic sensations.

Cultivation is not egalitarian. What is egalitarian is the sensation of energy. Anyone can play with basics, but to really control it is not just mental masturbation through self-affirmation, it is a complete process with specific guidelines for progression and structure. Without this structure, people are not skipping or hacking the practice, but acting in a manner that is analogous to picking up random books from a library based on the cover art and title and making up their own branch of science, making themselves experts and disregarding the slow and certain harm they are inflicting upon themselves.

What we learn then from Dune is that its analogues for cultivation factor in human nature and the necessity of safeguarding the development of power and knowledge due to its effects on the body and mind rather than wishful thinking and basic energy sensitivity in Star Wars. What we typically ignore is that whether it is the Force, the Spice, or the Farce, these parallels are still just works of fiction and actual practice should be regarded as our basis for understanding cultivation rather than trying to make cultivation fit into our idealized model from science fiction. In other words: don't make your cultivation try to fit the framework of the Force or the Spice, throw them both out unless you want to practice the Farce.
 
  • Equanimity
  • Sympathic joy
Reactions:

Roots of Virtue

At Your Service
Staff member
Moderator
The Force: "An energy field created by all life that connected everything in the universe, and known by a variety of names throughout galactic history." A New Age version of the Dao that forgoes the concept of duality and focuses on polarity while adding concepts such as synchronicity and destiny.

I feel that there also is Zen Buddhist and Christian Deist influence on the concept of the Force and the imaginative Jedi culture.

Even thought the Force is described as formless, it's not transcendental in the sense that it is described as substantive, having its own will and changing due to events of the story. The Force is like a Panentheistic Great Spirit of Mystical Deistic Space Shamanism. The slogan "May the Force be with you" is no different than saying "May God bless you". One example of the Force changing is how Obi-Wan feels a disturbance in the Force as the space weapon Death Star destroys the planet Alderaan. The plot allusion into extraordinary sensitivity subtly echoes Zen Buddhist and Japanese martial arts cultural influence where awareness and feeling is present before conceptual thought arises.

However, it should be pointed out that the Jedi culture itself has a very superficial imitation of oriental spiritual currents. The Jedi individual's harmony with the Force is in a rather single-minded manner described as staying tranquil in all circumstances. The bad guys of the story, the Sith, are described as using their intense emotions and desires as their means to mystic powers of the Force. In many ways this echoes to the typical story telling tradition of saying that the bad people are impatient and want to push others around because of their selfish desires. In my eyes, the Jedi tranquility ethics seem like a skewed Christian Puritan or Victorian understanding of what the "generic oriental" meditation singularly does and is supposed to accomplish. Maybe it could even be unconscious appraisal of the more familiar British "Keep Calm" and "stiff upper lip" mentality because these are more understandable to the average American mind than the nuances of gaining self-awareness that are the stable substance of Zen literature.

Cultivation may initially seem like it's the Force because of the superficial similarities to Daoist concepts and philosophy, but strictly speaking, the Force is not just a watered-down version of taiji (the proper name for Yin and Yang for those who need a helpful reminder), it also lacks other concepts such as five elements theory, which gives birth to other significant concepts such as medicine, seasons and cycles, and personalities, and the three treasures of jing, qi, and shen.

Like I mentioned above, the attuning to the Force isn't developed, but rather each person, whether Jedi or Sith, accesses it either with ascetic calmness or accepts their natural temper and fervor. There is no insight into nor development of the human condition here, but zero self-awareness and rather a petty dichotomy between self-denial and self-indulgence.

The most obvious difference in the Force is that the Light and Dark are opposed, and there is the use of absolutes. Yes, both Light and Dark in the Force use absolutes, as stated in the funny, zero-self awareness statement, "Only Sith [the dark side] think in absolutes" which is in itself an absolute stated by the Jedi [the light side]. This polarity also tends to look at Light as all things good and Dark as all things bad, but Yin and Yang are not definitively good or evil, as light can be both good and evil, and dark can be the same.

The quote you present about absolutes is excellent. The classical spiritual traditions could however say that "Only evil/dark would seek excess and cling to consequences" and thereby highlighting the cosmic ignorance as the chief culprit instead of arousing a moral panic and condemnation.

Star Wars likes to ride on oriental spiritual mysticism, but upon closer inspection it can't resist to resorting to the self-conscious "we are so good/bad people, why don't you respect our authority" which is entirely typical of human condition.
 
  • Equanimity
Reactions:

Roots of Virtue

At Your Service
Staff member
Moderator
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKMG-FdCGtM

"This you can trust."

The Riddle of Steel is a macguffin that drives both the main hero Conan and the chief villain Thulsa Doom in the classic feature film Conan the Barbarian (1982). The solution to the riddle isn't explicitly revealed on screen, but the villain announces that he had finally understood it and rejected steel because flesh is strong and capable of wielding the steel. Therefore, Thulsa Doom has become the head priest of a decadent cult that practices orgies and debasement of the flesh. Flesh here then stands for Eros, the tempting and bewitching emotionalism of the human mind.

Solving the Riddle of Steel becomes easy when you notice that it also reflects human mind: the icy cold reason, and the sharpness and cutting discernment of the steel sword. Wisdom you can trust.

Conan as the original pulp fiction character was characterized by his cunning street smarts more than anything. The movie turned him into a bodybuilder fantasy hero who sports much more action and violence, but the Riddle of Steel preserves the connection to the character's origin. The movie's director John Milius cut out a scene where Conan philosophizes about what he would be without his quest for vengeance. Keeping such a scene would had made it all much clearer that the character's real skill wasn't his sword handling, but that he actually made a good use of his mind.
 
  • Equanimity
Reactions:

Roots of Virtue

At Your Service
Staff member
Moderator
"Manifesting" is just another name for the well known pseudo-esoteric concept known as the law of attraction which is a recurring trend in the so-called self-help category of easily disposable literature.

While it's true that there exists a mindset of abundance that helps create changes and fulfill desires, there's much more to it from the spiritual perspective than mere obsessiveness and wishful thinking.

The law of attraction comes and goes in cycles where new generations discover its marketing hype and becomes interested in the possibility of easier life. The historically most important book of this sort is Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich which actually may be worth reading if any of the self-help topics or books sound vaguely interesting.

The last time the law of attraction garnered significant news headlines was when Rhonda Byrne's The Secret film and book were widely promoted for a few years starting in 2006.

Maybe the law of attraction helps people to believe in their desires and put more effort in realizing lofty goals, but the cynic in me finds the intentional cultivation of magical attraction to be vulgar and materialistic and therefore completely on cue with the common trends of modern consumer behavior and popular culture.
 
  • Equanimity
Reactions:

Earl Grey

Gonzo Daoist and Dharma Punk
Moderator
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnuqp4_K7ik


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIH-eFqBLP4


One of the easiest films in pop culture to dismantle and long overdue is Disney's 2020 Mulan remake, which probably is better classified as a demake because it has been not only appropriated for a western audience, but butchered for the same audience and to appeal to Chinese ultranationalists while securing CCP funding and support for filming in the controversial genocide region known on Chinese maps as Xinjiang. For reference, it is properly known as occupied East Turkestan, because it is not a part of China the same way that neither Tibet nor Southern Mongolia or Taiwan are a part of China either.

Let us begin with the most glaring point about the problem with Mulan specifically with regards to cultivation rather than the problems already spelled out in the videos above: Mulan is born with an exceptionally high level of qi and is therefore special, able to do superhuman feats.

Anyone with basic cultivation understanding knows you are not born special, everyone has to actually cultivate in order to make use of qi and shen. The original animated film is a passable analogue for cultivating virtues of hard work, resilience, creativity, adaptability, and challenging norms with the way the titular character has to find ways around her physical and biological limitations in a world designed for men and the way men fight wars. In the remake, we see that Mulan's vaginal oppression is turned into vaginal hubris instead because she is born amazing, fantastic, uncanny, incredible, invincible, spectacular, and all-around marvelous--because Disney owns Marvel, too, so they can use those adjectives for her exclusively.

The live-action Mulan gives the message that qi comes naturally, that you're a mutant superhero who is special and living in a world that rejects you and yet you can save it. This is not cultivation, this is falling into the trap of false advertising. What are they advertising? The confirmation bias that comes with the culture of being special and following reality tunnels that reinforce this delusional notion that you're born with it and everyone else is narrow-minded and unable to recognize your greatness.

Let me disabuse anyone who has this stupid belief by showing you what an actual individual with this world view looks and acts like when they have this internal dialogue:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-jCSZh2tMk


Yes, that Elliot Rodger, the school shooter and patron saint of incels, who thinks that the world owes him and women should sleep with him because he's beautiful and nobody sees that. Flip genders, and that's the kind of woman being indoctrinated in the values espoused by Ray and Star Wars, Captain Marvel, and live action Mulan. But Mulan isn't even a woman anymore because her qi power takes her to superhuman levels!

The live action Mulan remake further pushes the idea that qi is magic, or perhaps, more like the Force in Star Wars (also owned by Disney!). Nowhere is there any explanation of qi being breath or life, which means that qi is just some mystical statistic that Mulan has and nobody else does. No practical use, and this is completely unacceptable given that the film was written and directed by white women using Chinese money to cater to a Chinese audience just as much as it panders to its western woke audience.

At times, I wonder if being woke is merely ticking off boxes rather than actual appreciation and discovery of different cultures and values, and with films like the Mulan remake, I no longer need to wonder when it's apparent that the boxes were ticked for investors, while consigning to the dustbin anything that comes from the richness of actual history, philosophy, and culture.

When you add the influence of the Disney machine on the youth, you see the entitled only-children of the People's Republic of China and the post-Weinstein American society has now conveyed the message that by having QI POWER!, you have MAGIC! and THE FORCE! and are therefore SPECIAL. By being SPECIAL, you don't need wisdom from anyone, especially because it comes from the Christ or the Buddha, Zhuangzi or Confucius, since they are just "dead men from ancient misogynistic times."

Perhaps it should be noted that the most difficult circumstances were some of the best times to cultivate wisdom, focus, diligence, patience, and recognizing the Samsaric illusion that we exist within, but instead, people want QI POWER! so that they can have the ultimate cheat code to beat the game and think that they did it on their own merit.

The live action Mulan has not only insulted people for its inaccuracies of Chinese culture and philosophy, it has done so with a kind of self-certain audacity held by the kind of person who watched a YouTube video (like me!) and suddenly believes themselves to have done sufficient research on a topic.

I repeat a very common point I must make as both a personal reminder to myself and to others: power without wisdom will only lead to ruin, and the physical forms such as Taijiquan and qigong are the yogc philosophies applied to real life. While there is wisdom in those expressions, one can't mimic sounds and claim that they speak a language, one must comprehend a language before making those sounds in order for them to have meaning and be of any material value. By having QI POWER! like Mulan, the only philosophy expressed is the failed formula of printing money by appealing to both nostalgia and contemporary values.

Contemporary values are merely a reflection of the zeitgeist, and if one truly wants to learn anything of value, review the classics instead because that wisdom is eternal, while these modern remakes are infernal.
 
  • Equanimity
Reactions:

Roots of Virtue

At Your Service
Staff member
Moderator
Anyone with basic cultivation understanding knows you are not born special, everyone has to actually cultivate in order to make use of qi and shen. The original animated film is a passable analogue for cultivating virtues of hard work, resilience, creativity, adaptability, and challenging norms with the way the titular character has to find ways around her physical and biological limitations in a world designed for men and the way men fight wars. In the remake, we see that Mulan's vaginal oppression is turned into vaginal hubris instead because she is born amazing, fantastic, uncanny, incredible, invincible, spectacular, and all-around marvelous--because Disney owns Marvel, too, so they can use those adjectives for her exclusively.

Seeing all these contingents to the "female empowerment" thought and associated political movements, I can't help noticing that the majority of crafty and power hungry women actually covet the baiting power to keep men interested in them and thus eager to please and pamper the lady on the slightest cue, even if the man himself is uninteresting and easily disposable in her eyes. How a transactional and co-dependent view of life!

Where is the fabled desire for actual independence and compassionate living that doesn't trash anyone on whimsical reasons of personal desire?

In a more general level, women can't compete with each other like men do with each other, and this is hormonal and sex related psychology. Please pardon me if I make a caricature: Men enjoy taking (silly) risks and challenges, while women enjoy avoiding risks (to the point it might seem silly). In the absence of healthy competitive culture, what is left for the self-conscious and entitled women then is to keep exerting their increased power over men in made-up anger and non-productive hostile causes that fuel the flame. In addition to this, the modern female ideal isn't humble, but full of hubris and entitlement like you implied. Therefore, where is the room for personal growth and cultivating virtues if life more or less hangs on personal appeal and identity issues?

I don't blame women for this though. It's the declining male culture and the lack of healthy role models and gentlemen which has been weakening men first by undermining the ethical protocols and trustworthy ritual behavior, thus turning the culture into fake spirituality and garbage entertainment.
 
  • Equanimity
Reactions:

Earl Grey

Gonzo Daoist and Dharma Punk
Moderator
Seeing all these contingents to the "female empowerment" thought and associated political movements, I can't help noticing that the majority of crafty and power hungry women actually covet the baiting power to keep men interested in them and thus eager to please and pamper the lady on the slightest cue, even if the man himself is uninteresting and easily disposable in her eyes. How a transactional and co-dependent view of life!

Where is the fabled desire for actual independence and compassionate living that doesn't trash anyone on whimsical reasons of personal desire?

In a more general level, women can't compete with each other like men do with each other, and this is hormonal and sex related psychology. Please pardon me if I make a caricature: Men enjoy taking (silly) risks and challenges, while women enjoy avoiding risks (to the point it might seem silly). In the absence of healthy competitive culture, what is left for the self-conscious and entitled women then is to keep exerting their increased power over men in made-up anger and non-productive hostile causes that fuel the flame. In addition to this, the modern female ideal isn't humble, but full of hubris and entitlement like you implied. Therefore, where is the room for personal growth and cultivating virtues if life more or less hangs on personal appeal and identity issues?

I don't blame women for this though. It's the declining male culture and the lack of healthy role models and gentlemen which has been weakening men first by undermining the ethical protocols and trustworthy ritual behavior, thus turning the culture into fake spirituality and garbage entertainment.

This video explains that it is important to build a character first, as powers are secondary.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARgT2XmHN2E


If we take that further, this is why traditional training is for character before martial skill or the yogas that would develop siddhis, or even developing character as a result of the wisdom derived from both the philosophical and the physical yogas.

Just assigning power to someone will not change them. It will make them dangerous individuals who are boring to be around, aside from being alert and wanting to live another day in case you piss them off.

The most powerful individuals can beat down the strongest opponents with mere words--otherwise known as verbal fajin for the finishing touch or verbal push hands to build up to the verbal fajin.

See here in this clip from the brilliant motion comic adaptation of Mark Millar's Superman: Red Son:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOc-xHXAjr8


One needs to have the brains to be able to use power appropriately, and wisdom to know when and how to use power best.
 
  • Equanimity
Reactions:

Neirong

Magus
Probationer
I don't blame women for this though. It's the declining male culture and the lack of healthy role models and gentlemen which has been weakening men first by undermining the ethical protocols and trustworthy ritual behavior, thus turning the culture into fake spirituality and garbage entertainment.
Society degrades as a whole; as much as many would like to pick sides, male or female, it is like two sides of the same coin. I have seen many men with similar beliefs in things materializing by the will of Cosmos. It may be worse for females as many can profit by accepting gifts in a dating process or by monetizing their body photos on Instagram and other platforms.

It is a cumulative Idea of most New-Age nonsense teachings: do nothing of value and get everything. The entitlement and the idea that you can do nothing and get everything comes from arrogance and ego. There are even courses on "raise self-esteem" (boost ego). There is a societal factor about getting a disproportional reward for not doing anything of value to reinforce this delusion. It happens to many Tik Tokers, Celebrities, Bloggers, and people born into wealthy families. Followers of media influencers want to be like their idols and role models.

People confuse gratification, money, with an actual goal or meaningful purpose in life. There is no meaningful purpose or deep sense in posting half-naked photos on Instagram. A significant part of society does not even want to do anything in their life, and all they want is money. They naively and falsely believe that being rich will make their life good. While growing their Ego out of control will make their life a miserable experience full of suffering. A person doing nothing of value in a lifetime will turn his existence into a worm-like, whose only goal is to eat, reproduce, and self-gratify.

When talking about the dating market, a decent Male specimen should verify whenever a Woman can cook, clean the house, or have any other proper skills in life, rather than having nice-looking Instagram photos and lots of followers. Both of which are most often made-up and disconnected from the real world.

As far as spirituality goes, esoteric teachings only seem to be a way to hack/cheat into the desires. Obtain something a person wants/craves inside through a ritual, magick, or mumbo jumbo.
People don't even consider that engaging in spiritual practice could change their core values and world views.
 
Last edited:
  • Equanimity
Reactions:
Top